What are the Inner Elements? How Do We Use Them? – Drukama RadioTM Episode 21

This week Daishi speaks to Ginger on the subject of the five elements. What are the elements and why are they important on the spiritual path? How do the elements relate to the chakras and the senses? What can we do to begin working with the elements?

Inner Elements - The Subtle and Physical Body - Drukama Radio™ Ep 21

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Episode 21 Extract

The Inner Elements

” The elements are actually the most important process I think in all of spirituality and it’s one of the things that’s misunderstood the most at least. Elements, for the most part, either go totally ignored or completely misunderstood. And they’re actually the way in which the subtle body acts and performs and acts upon the physical body and all of its functions. So, that underlying subtle elements or the underlying subtle winds of the body or the pranas of the body, they are the source of everything that happens in our mental undulations, whether our minds are busy or not, how our heart beats, the way that our nervous system functions, the way that our sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous system operates all the way through muscles, fibres, tendons, blood, stomach and digestion…, all of these things…”

“…elements at first are a way for us to control and help to modify the way the physical body is operating and later becomes the tools by which we generate a new kind of body that you would see in the new testament where Christ says “you must be born again”. Not through the mother’s womb but up into the Kingdom of Heaven.

And so, that mystery, that kind of esoteric nature of discussion, is really pointing to the fact that, once we understand how this body was formed subtlely, we can form another one ourselves, using the same kind of principles. And it’s a little deeper esoteric topic but it shows how elements work on a basic level for us and how they can be very productive when we’re on the path at the beginning. And then also how they can be extremely productive at the end of the path, when we’re ready to go through the process of creating and manifesting a vehicle that we travel in maybe while we are asleep or after death…”

~ Daishi Nagiyah

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Full Transcript of This Episode

Ginger: Hello everyone and welcome back to Drukama Radio. My name is Ginger, I will be your co-host for today’s show entitled “What Are The Inner Elements and How Do We Use Them?” And we are so grateful today to have Daishi with us to answer some of these questions. How are you today Daishi?

Daishi: I am doing great, thanks for being here as always, and I will do my best to cover a really complex and really detailed and deep topic over the next fifteen minutes. So let’s do the best we can with that.

Ginger: Well let’s start simple.

For the purposes of our discussion today, how would you begin to define this term “Inner Elements”?

Daishi: The elements are actually the most important process, I think, in all of spirituality, and it is one of the things that is misunderstood the most at least. Elements, for the most part, go either totally ignored or completely misunderstood, and they are actually the way in which the subtle body acts and performs and acts upon the physical body in all of its functions, ok.

So, the underlying subtle elements or the underlying subtle winds of the body or the pranas of the body, they are the source of everything that happens in our mental undulations, you know, whether our mind is busy or not, how our heart beats, the way that our nervous system functions, the way that our sympathetic or parasympathetic nervous system operates, all the way through muscles and fibers and tendons and blood and stomach digestion and all of these things.

So, the pranas, or the elements, as they are typically called, are absolutely critical and essential because as we learn about them and go forward on the path, they become the triggers or switches by which we make modifications to the way that we are functioning. And in that, they are critically important to understand and critically important to get access to, if that makes sense.

Ginger: That takes us into pretty deep territory.

If we want to back it up so that people can have a point of reference, how would you give an example of an element showing up for us in our life as we move around the house or do the work, or what have you?

Daishi: And this has probably driven most teachers of the past crazy, because how do you take such a subtle instrument and then somehow demonstrate it to somebody on a physical or 3D kind of material way? So, the best way to do that is to say that each element is relatively connected to its physical element. In other words, water has the properties of cohesiveness – it draws together, it pulls together, it is sort of magnetic in that way. And so people say “Well, is the water element, water?” It is within the property of water. It is not water itself, but it is within the property of drawing together and congealing the way that water does.

And fire, for example, has the ability to translate or transpose from one element to another. So, if we find a block of wood, and I put it on the fire, that wood becomes essentially air, or particles so small that I cannot perceive them anymore, into the akashic space around us. So, in a way, we can say that the fire element on the subtle level is similar to the way that the fire element on the physical level converts and brings things from one dimension to another. And so, in that way, we can kind of point to those physical elements and relate them.

Now, another way we can look at it is we can say the elements are also related to the chakras of the body. So, each chakra up through Vishuddha or what they call the “throat chakra” is related to its own essential kind of attribute, like that element. So, the sacral, or what is called the “Svadhistan chakra”, has a very drawing watery nature, it has a nature to pull toward it, wants to pull everything together, and in that way we consider it is also related to kind of desire, right? We want to pull toward desiring and sensuality, and want to draw closer to the things that we desire. So, the water element of the sacral is related to the watery element of nature, in that way.

So, the reason why that is important to know, not in the beginning, because it is not that important in the beginning, but as we get further along the path, we utilize those elements in a really profound way; because not only do we want to alter the way the physiological body and the subtle bodies are operating, you know, we need to have switches to those things in order to experience and perceive, or adjust the way we are experiencing or perceiving, and take control of that. So, in some part, that is important.

And in another way, we want to create as we get deeper into the path here, the illusory body, a body that we occupy outside of this physical body and we call that the “Born Again body”, we are going to literally create something through the use of those elements, channels and nadis, to occupy, so we literally are going to be able to go from this body to another.

Now, sometimes we say that is an astral body, but that is misunderstood. Actually, what we utilize to experience lucid dreaming is an intermediary energy called the etheric body. When we are talking about a full illusory body, or something that is a new vehicle – let’s just call it a new vehicle – whereas our physical body is a physical vehicle, this is another upper realm vehicle, we actually use those elements to create and occupy that vehicle so that when we pass from this world to that world we have a body, a vehicle, to occupy, rather than doing what we normally do which is to cycle immediately back down into another physical body or something similar, right?

So, to get out of the cycle of death and rebirth we want to make sure that we have there a body-vehicle that we can occupy with our consciousness so that we do not have the need to unconsciously jump back to a womb and continue the ongoing, almost endless, process of death and rebirth.

So, in that regard, elements, at first, are a way for us to control and help to modify the way the physical body is operating, and later becomes the tools by which we generate a new kind of body that you would see in the New Testament where Christ says “You must be born again” not through the mother’s womb but up into the Kingdom of Heaven.

And so, that mystery, that kind of esoteric nature of discussion is really pointing to the fact that once we understand how this body is formed subtly, we can form another one ourselves using the same kinds of principles, and it is a little deeper esoteric topic but it shows how elements work on a basic level for us, and how they can be very productive when we are on the path in the beginning, and also how they can be extremely productive at the end of the path when we are ready to go through the process of creating and manifesting a vehicle that we travel in, maybe while we are asleep or after death.

Ginger: Given that this discussion is so broad, can we really back in a bit, back into the practical side, because you talked about how the inner elements can be used at the beginning as well as at the more advanced points in the path.

So, I understand the elements also relate to the senses, can you talk a little bit more about that, so we can tap in?

Daishi: Absolutely. And it is important that we talk about the really basic points of this so that we can build from there. And we have to start with the simple side and kind of build forward, and that is really how the path takes us anyway, so it is a great place to go.

So, all of the senses, the physical senses, also relate with each of these elements. So, for example, when we talk about the basic nadi, and by nadi I mean a thoroughfare or a chakra, a place where the meridians, the subtle meridians of the body, meet together. The very first base main chakra we usually relate to or call it “the root”. So the root, which sits at the perineum and in the tip of the spine, the areas down at the core of the body, that particular thoroughfare or that nadi where all the various meridians, channels of the body, kind of meet up there, that root we call it the earth element. It is associated with the earth element. It is a very stabilizing place. And that particular chakra or energy center, or nadi, or thoroughfare of channels, is related to the stability portion of our physical body as well.

So, in and of itself, it is related to the sense of smell. And so, that sense of smell, the way that we use this sense of smell, there are practices we use with smell that helps us to actuate and activate that particular area of the body, or to become familiar with it, to enliven it, is related with smell and we continue up through the chakras, and each new chakra is related to another sense.

And so when we go to the sacral, we talked about this earlier, that watery sacral side is related to taste. So, as we go from taste, we move up to what we call the solar plexus or navel chakra, or sometimes referred to as the Manipurika, that chakra is related to the sense of sight. And as we continue, we go to the heart, which is touch. And eventually stop at the akashic last chakra, in the throat, which is space or Akash.

So, all of these main chakras within the trunk of the body that really are connected to the main meridians of the subtle body, all relate with the way that we utilize the senses themselves. And again, this can go really deep, because the way that we look at the senses are not just smelling something, it is actually the process of smelling, so there is the thing that is smelled, there is the process of smelling. There is the smell itself, right, and there is the consciousness, the awareness of smell. So there are five divisions within the sense of smell itself. So, as we continually look at this and become more aware and conscious of all of these divisions, we look at 5 into 5 into 5 into 5.

So, it literally breaks down that all of these senses go deeper, and as we become more aware of the actuation of each of these senses, we become more aware of how the actual sense of, for example, smell, functions way beyond what we ever thought about before. Today, if you ask somebody, do you smell that brownie? They go “yeah” – ok well is it the brownie? Is it the sense of smelling? Is it the smell of the brownie? Or is it your recognition of the smell itself? There are many parts of that process, right, that we are not really aware of, so then you would ask and they say “Oh I never thought about that, I just, you know…” – it is actually the smell of the brownie that is wonderful, right? Or have you ever thought about what is actually causing that signal to come through? Where is the signal coming into, what is receiving and so on and so forth? So as we go through basic parts of this practice we become more aware of these senses, we relate them back to how they really embody those deeper subtle elements, and when you go about it in that way, through the more advanced practices of walking backwards, the elements themselves become very, of course, they become very open and very understood.

So although this is a deep topic, and although this is a more advanced practice, it is really not that complicated, it is just a matter of waking up to each part of the process, and that is the point of it, it is really to wake up to how I am signaling and processing the things that I have aversion to or attraction to, and how those processes are functioning on a really deep level. So that I gain control of them, and I can turn them on and off and switch them, sustain them and kill them and activate them, and do these things, rather than being completely enslaved by them – which is the big problem.

So, it is true that we cannot just jump right into those things, we have to establish some tools first, and we call those the preliminary practices. But once we get going, we start to actually look at these functional processes of elements, and we say – “Oh, I fully understand the five elements and their functions; and because I understand them so well, I can make modifications to my physical body, however I need to modify it, to make my perception in a way that I perceive reality the right way or my way; but I can also utilize those senses to create all kinds of things”. And that is where we get lost in a subject we are going to talk about in the future, which is magic. And it is a quirky word, but the idea is that once we understand the building blocks of reality, and all five senses are the entire building blocks of reality, there is nothing more than the five senses, everything we see, hear, touch, feel, taste is all built on the five senses.

Once we understand those five senses, we can begin to more accurately and powerfully create and manifest things as well, and that is one of the deepest, most hidden secrets in the esoteric or mystical community, period.

Ginger: Since we do have some listeners who have started down those roads, would you like to discuss the term “quintessence” or save that for another day?

Daishi: Lets save that one, because I think that deserves a really big discussion, and I think that it deserves more than 4 minutes. It really needs to be understood, so let’s keep that one off. But essentially, just to let someone know who is not familiar, you know, it is sort of like you need a space to play in, right? So you need a boundary, and if you are an agnostic or an atheist, no problem, we can say that the Universe just created this source playground, a space within itself, you know, either chemically or however you want to justify that, it made a decision or somehow just chaotically created space.

But that space, that sphere, or that circle, or that egg, or whatever you want to call it, has a boundary, there is a limit. And it sets a rule, it basically sets a rule that says “You can do a lot of things within this space, but you cannot do anything outside of the space”. And within the space, you have to follow the rules of air, fire, water and earth, right? So, these are the elements. These are the functioning processes within this egg. So if you understand those functioning processes, you can work within the laws and structures of that egg and modify and play within it, and with it, however you want to.

So, the fifth Akash is really just the shell and all the space within it that contains all of the vital information and intelligence about how each of these elements operate. So, lets’ leave it there, that space is where we are trying to liberate out from, right? So anybody who is seriously considering the path, or a mystic that really wants to understand, there are two main stages there: One is to realize – “I want to know, give me all the building blocks of what is going on in this dream-like reality. I want to play with everything that is happening here and I need to understand how conditions are met, causes and effects are being created through these elements” So they learn how to play within the sandbox, and at some point it is not just enough to play, but they want to know “How do I go beyond the sandbox?” right, so there is a realization of the tools and how to play with them, and there is a liberation of how to get out of it itself. So those are two mains stages in any mystical journey.

Now, most human beings are not even interested in this conversation, because they just want to have a better job, better car, you know, they are still kind of feeling that the things of the world are going to satisfy and satiate their long term needs. They will not. Eventually everyone will come to the point where they realize none of this is ever going to fulfill me, I am never going to actually find satisfaction, what else is there, and they will end up on a mystical path, period. It is the end of the road for the human experience.

But at that point, the way a good scientist does, you are going to start to say “How do I play with the smallest and biggest particles of the world? How do I get access to them?” In the Hadron Collider they are trying to smash atoms and figure out what is within them, and, you know, how do we play with this stuff? Can we create? What is our limit?

When we take away the filters of the physical body, which limit us in an incredibly terrible way; when we take those filters away and go within, we can play with those elements in a way that is unfiltered and begin to understand them in a much truer sense. And that really is where a mystical journey begins, and it is truly where we learn how to not only play, but also then be free and in control, rather than controlled, but we also learn how to get out.

And that is something that we inevitably, like any good kid, eventually the sandbox is not enough, I want to go play in the basketball court, I want to go play in the football field, you know, I want to go build a doll house, I want to go – and then more and more, I want to be a writer or journalist, I want to draw pictures, I want to take pictures, I want to make music – we evolve, we want more. So inevitably that happens to the mystical side too and we want out, right. Like I have done everything with the senses here so let’s move forward, and that is the culmination, or the liberating Moksha of the path where I am ready to go.

Ginger: Exciting to hear you lay it out so clearly. One more question along those lines though, because you have taken us through the spectrum here, so, again to bring it back for listeners who might just be joining us, our question that we posed at the beginning was:

“How do we use them?” So is there a practical takeaway for somebody who is just coming in to this can hold on to if they want to connect?

Daishi: So, the body is made of, you know, 60% or something, depends where you get your sources, but it can be anywhere from 50% to 70% water. So, a lot of water is in the body, and water has a lot to do with the way that our body functions, right? Digestion and the way that the blood works, and the fluids of the spine and brain and everything, you know, all those fluids, and the phlegm and all of that stuff is really vital to how we live.

Keeping that watery element really cleansed and productively happy and all of that is really important, we want to do that, and there are ways that we can utilize the simplest methods to cleanse and to become more aware and to become more powerfully active in the water element. And that can be done through, again, the sense, like tasting, different parts of the tongue taste differently, different kinds of taste affect us in different ways, when we eat, the way that we taste our food and chew our food and really understand and connect with our food, is a really powerful way to start cleaning the water element. It is a really powerful way to thrust to at least start to become really close and connected to it.

So. I always tell people if you are just new and you really have not headed down the path yet, and you want to just start to get closer to these elements, take your time when you are smelling a flower, right? And understand, what am I really smelling? What is the nature of the smell that I am smelling with this flower in a deep level? Really take your time and be conscious of it, be present with it.

When you are hearing music, you know, there are ways you can isolate music and the reflection of the way you hear music, that can be very wild; for example, let’s say you are a classical freak, so you are hearing classical music and all of the pieces of the band together, and you are listening to this music and you are enjoying it, you are realizing that the symphony together, the cacophony of beauty of all these instruments that probably on their own are not as beautiful as they are together, fills me with a blissfulness so the reaction to the sense of hearing this particular music fills me with bliss, and I am going to enjoy that. But at the same time, you can actually turn that off, you can actually realize that you are in a state of listening to sounds that do not necessarily have to be active to blissfulness, and then switch, and just hear noises.

And when you go from going back into enjoying the music, to going back to just hearing sounds again, and back and forth, you are actually learning how to modify the center that is responsible for hearing. Not only that, but you can isolate parts of the instruments, you can say “Ok, I am just going to pay attention to the bass or the cello or the flute or the string side or whatever part of the symphony I want to hear, I am just going to isolate those parts now. And then I am going to see how those parts make me feel, and I am going to see how I hear those parts.” That whole practice is intensely powerful when it comes to just cleansing and connecting to the particular element that is associated with it.

So, yes, there are many, many more very powerful ways for us to get closer to that element and to utilize the element, but if you want something really basic, you can do that with taste, touch, smell, any of the senses, and you can begin to be more awake and aware when it comes to eating, and tasting, and listening, and seeing, right? And all of these things, and that really helps us to cleanse, and helps us to connect with those elements on the most basic level.

Ginger: Fantastic information. And this is a great segue, because if they want to know more, and we want to understand better how to use these tools and really apply them; you have a new website under way, and I would love to have an update on that if we could, and maybe they can learn more about how to work with the elements there.

Daishi: Absolutely can, and drukama.com D-R-U-K-A-M-A. There are hundreds of pretty well established tutors and teachers there that have been with me for a while, but that site is not opening until July 1st. So we have a July 1st launch, we have finally gotten that down, we are really excited, there is a bunch of excitement about people coming in and joining that family. It has been, some of them have been with me for quite a while, and there is a lot of eagerness to help new people. And that family is really close, and everybody there is on a different part of that ladder, so it is really good to be around a group that is all sort of saying “Hey we are all in different stages here”. But to be able to be around that kind of experience is really important and it is so helpful on the path.

So, feel free, drukama.com when you guys get ready or feel like you want to be a part of that, join us July 1st, that looks like that will be the launch date. We are excited to be able to help any way we can. We are a not-for-profit organization, just trying to get this information out there. So like I always say, if you do not get it from us, and if you do not want to have this inner journey at your house privately, and you do not think it fits for you, find it somewhere, please, because once you understand the way that your physical body and vehicle operate, it changes the way you perceive everything. And you do not have to defend it anymore, you do not have to worry about how you look and sound and feel to anybody else, you can just be truly free from that control mechanism of the self, and that makes real human beings, and that makes real connections, and that is the only way we are actually going to change the world around us.

Ginger: What a great note to end on. Thank you so much for joining us today Daishi, it has been great.

Daishi: Thank you for having me.

Ginger: And if anyone has questions or comments about the show, you can email us please at radio@drukama.com, that’s radio@D-R-U-K-A-M-A.com, any last words?

Daishi: Just remember that this whole path is really about taking responsibility for what I see, feel, for how I act, behave, the way that I love, the way that I have compassion towards others and connect to others. My level of passion and liveliness and my aliveness in general is all based on me. I have to take control of that.

So, once we start to understand the vehicle and operate it in a more conscious way, we can become a very productive part of living in this world, and that is the point, right? We do not want to leave the world and say hey, you know, what did you do down there? “Well I just partied and had fun and, you know, I am back”. Well but there is no point to that, you did not have to go there in the first place to do that, you could do that here. The whole point of going there was trying to figure things out, to learn and experience and explore, and actually come back with wisdom, right?

So let’s use this short life we have here to gain insight about who we really are and how we operate, where we come from, where we are going, because we are not here that long, and we do not take anything with us. So we might as well see it for what it is. It is just a short journey of learning, and we should dive into that headfirst.

Ginger: Wholeheartedly agree. Thank you so much everyone for joining us today, and we look forward to seeing you again next time.